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Anti-TNF Switching Options
LynW
#1 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:27:05 PM Quote
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Hi!
The provisional decision from NICE has been released. From the NRAS front page:

The National Rheumatoid Arthritis Society (NRAS) has expressed their frustration at NICE’s provisional decision not to allow patients with rheumatoid arthritis to routinely switch from one Anti-TNF drug to another. This is the second time NICE has appraised the sequential effectiveness of multiple biologic therapies following NRAS’s successful appeal of negative NICE guidance on switching in 2007.
Over time, some patients find that whichever Anti-TNF they have been taking becomes less effective and have found benefit from being able to switch to another Anti-TNF.


This is a very worrying situation for many and I do wonder where NICE come up with their facts! I am already on my second anti-TNF having started on Infliximab (Remicade) in January 2003 but due to the loss of effectiveness after about 12 months I was moved onto Enbrel (Etanercept) in June 2004. In those last five years my quality of life has seen a significant improvement. I am more mobile (although still limited due to previous joint damage), I have less pain (apart from existing damage), hopefully ongoing joint damage will have been slowed down by the treatment (and I do feel this to be the case), and for the first time in 21+ years I actually believe that the disease has been controlled. In the last 12 months to a lesser extent as I think perhaps the Enbrel is losing it's efficacy. If this provisional decision becomes a reality the only remaining treatment option open to me will be Rituximab. I was keeping this in reserve for a very rainy day!!

I have at least had two anti-tnf therapies, others will be less fortunate. Certainly, for me, the switch has been beneficial and I'm sure would be equally so for others.

Lyn x
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Sheila-R
#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:20:51 PM Quote
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Hi Lyn,
I agree it is worrying, I was lucky and made the switch from having Humira for just over 5 months to Enbrel. After 6 months on that and it not working I've just moved to the 'rainy day' option (too early to say whether that is working yet). However had I not been able to switch, I would always have been left wondering might another anti-TNF have worked ? At least it put my mind at rest before moving to Rituximab. I just hope that NICE will review yet again.
Can consultants prescribe against the guidelines or is it actually a ruling?
Best wishes
Sheila
jenni_b
#3 Posted : Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:26:15 AM Quote
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Hi Lyn spoke to my rheummy about this.

yes there is lots of anecdotal evidence and it is good to have an arsonal bristling with good RA drug options, to be able to switch but the clinical data for physical improvement is just not there.

also, the serious infection results for the anti- TNFs have become fully known now and this has battered their reputation somewhat. 2-3 times more likely for serious infection, but then it is the sickest RA patients who get offered these drugs in the first place so it is not as clear cut as it appears.

Jenni x
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mel1
#4 Posted : Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:50:45 AM Quote
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Hi all
I do not know what to think really> I had great hope of being a new woman on humira
but have found I am better (slightly) but over all rather disapointing and now the flares are coming again and i do not feel to good at all.
My husband only said yesterday You must ask if you can change to another drug!!
Love Melanie
prioryc
#5 Posted : Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:55:15 AM Quote
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This is the point Jenni. It is the sickest people who do get offered them and their tolerance to infection is lowered before they even start the new drug. It is not tested on a level playing field. The evidence is in the improved quality of life in Lyn and others like her and I am so upset that the right to switch may/is being denied. After all, if any other medication in any other field no longer was effective there would be no hesitation in switching. very sad.

Eleanor x
joeyvt
#6 Posted : Friday, March 05, 2010 1:19:23 PM Quote
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I too had two lots of Anti-TNF's (Humira and Infliximab) before going on to Rituximab.

I would have thought that it would be cheaper all in all to try a patient on another anti-TNF before making a leap to a powerful and, in relative terms, lesser known drug like Rituximab. Isn't it all just about money these days anyway?

Don't understand the logic, personally but then what weight does our opinion have ... we only have to take the stuff and live with the consequences.

Joanna
lyn2
#7 Posted : Friday, March 05, 2010 4:52:12 PM Quote
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I am in exaclty the same position as Lynw. I'm on my second anti-tnf, Enbrel, which I feel is beginning to work less well. My consultant mentioned Rituximab to me last year, so will have to wait and see how things go this year.

Lyn
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